INTERESTING P2 CHALLENGE
While I was in the middle of trying to finish my third pass at Act 2 on the current show I am working on, I was given a really interesting challenge. And while I needed to get this Act finished, and move on to Act 3...I did need a little break from the creative process, and I do enjoy a technical challenge
The company I work for needed some DVCPRO HD 720p60 footage converted into slow motion. From 59.94 fps to 29.97fps...a frame by frame transfer that makes for very smooth slow motion. That's doable....no problem.
Issue #1 - This is an Avid shop, and older Avid's at that. They did have an Avid Adrenaline that could read this footage fine, but it couldn't do the slow motion conversion internally. With an Avid, if we wanted slow motion from DVCPRO HD, we'd make sure that we shot that footage on a separate tape so that we could take that tape to a post facility where they'd run it thru some process during dubbing that would then produce a tape with slow motion footage. And the budget on this series was getting thin, so they wanted to see if this could be done another way. Sure...no problem. Final Cut Pro has a tool that you can install to do that, the DVCPRO HD FRAME RATE CONVERTER (in the EXTRAS folder on the FCP install disk). I have a tutorial on this process.
Issue #2 - All the footage was shot on P2. But this wasn't the issue. FCP can work with footage shot on P2. No, the issue was that the file structure of the P2 card was gone. Avid doesn't need the CONTENTS folder or the LASTCLIP.txt file in order to work with the P2 files. All it needs are the Video and Audio files. So what the assistants do is make a folder on the media drives and copy into that ONLY the video and audio files...all of them lumped into one folder. I did spend about 30 min trying to rebuilt the fle structure of the P2 cards with no success. Without the PROXIE and CLIP files (the folders were empty, of course), FCP didn't recognize the card as valid. I couldn't import the footage.
Hmmm...think think think. OK...back to the cut. I need to make this surgery that really isn't dramatic or exciting into, well, a dramatic and exciting surgery, and show that they are losing the guy. OK, cut this, pull up that...Oooo...nice CU of the young female doctor...ick, avoid the close ups of the open abdomen. This is a surgery show, but let's not gross people out...
Hey! What about Raylight? I keep hearing on the Creative Cow and DVXUser forums (mainly from Barry Green, a huge Raylight advocate) that with this application, FCP can read the MXF files natively...no need to import. I could try this. Not long ago Marcus van Bavel, the owner of DVFilm, sent me a beta of Raylight to test. I hadn't even unzipped the archived file. Lemme try this.
I launch Raylight. That really is all that is required...for it to be running in the background. There were a few settings I had to check...and it didn't detect the MXF files right away, because the CONTENTS file structure wasn't there. BUT, there was an option to manually input a path to the MXF files. I did this and Raylight saw them. I then HID the application and launched FCP. I created a DVCPRO HD sequence with the Easy Setups, imported the P2 footage and...and...
Hmmm...Since these aren't quicktime files, I can't use the converter on them. Now what?
My producer walks in and wants to see Acts 1 and 2 and see how they flow. Pretty good...I just need to bridge a couple of sections, but good. He wrote a couple VO lines to help there, and to help finish the act on a cliffhanger in the OR. Then off he went to address another issue in another edit bay. I finessed the bridges, started finishing the surgery to end the act on a...
Idea. The MXF files can't be converted...but if I was to export them as a Quicktime file, DVCPRO HD 720p60 at 59.94, and reimport that, FCP should be able to convert that, right?
I tried a self contained Quicktime Movie. I reimported that and tried the converter and...nope. It said it couldn't do it..."file 0014FG.mxf cannot be converted. The file needs to be a DVCPRO HD 720p60 file at 59.94 in order for FCP to convert this." Or something to that effect. Why was it still reading this as MXF?
Hmmm... What if I export using Quicktime Conversion, and choose DVCPRO HD, and current settings. This took a WHILE (on my powerbook G4). After 2 hours (17 min sequence) it finished. I reimported that file, applied the frame rate converter and...SUCCESS! It converted the file into ultra smooth slow motion! WooHoo! The clip was now 34 minutes long, and slow. I broke the footage up into two segments, as I needed to lay the result onto tape so that it could be captured by the older Avids, and because Discovery requires source footage to be on tape...they do not accept data files..
So I set about doing the second sequence...following all the steps I did the first time and...well crap. It wasn't working. No matter what I did, it kept asking for some .mxf file. So now what?
OK. Back to the cut. Trim here, add footage there...write some VO to explain what severe acidosis is and record it. Figure out where a good dramatic place to end the act on a tense moment would be. Find good footage to cover that. Play it back...looks pretty good. I think I need some VO to explain this one section...
It kept referencing a .MXF file. Why? (what, me...ADD? Nah...why do you ask?) I wonder...what if I quit Raylight, so it can't link to that MXF file. Nope. OK...quit and restart the computer. Launch FCP...try again. Nope...same error...claiming that the exported QT file is an MXF file. Well...they have all the MXF files on the Avid...what if I threw mine out and erased them? So I do that, tried the converter and VOILA! It worked!
SWEET!
OK...back to the cut. Add the VO, cut in some dramatic music, edit that music...bridge a gap or two...and done. Whew.
Of course then I realize that this would ALL have been easier if they output the p2 clips to tape, Id captured those tape into FCP making them QT files by default...THEN using the converter. GAH!
Ah well...this is a great solution for the instances when you don't have access to a deck.
Thank you Barry Green (if you even read this) for constantly mentioning Raylight on the forums, and URGING me to try it out.



8 comments:
Awesome post Shane, Thanks for illuminating the painful experiences one has to deal with when working with older avids (and avids in general) in conjuction with other programs.
This is the second reason why I think that Avid is going the way of the dodo for all smaller market productions (The first of course being price). The competely proprietary nature of Avid, and it's lack of ability to play well with other apps just strikes me as idiotic in the current market.
The billable hours lost on software incompatibility must be astronomical, let alone the fact that the cool avid color correction tools are only available in the higher end systems, makes avid less and less relevant every year. That and the fact that FCP is really becoming more and more of a lingua franca (especially with the XML intergration) means bad things for avid.
As far as providing the speed ramp/change as separate source material for discovery, wouldn't a timelapse/speed ramp count as an effect and could simply be delivered clean at the end as part of the graphics and textless elements? It's a bit wierd to me that they'd make you do that.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Avid. I have many uses for the Avid, and love MANY things that it does. It is superior to FCP in many respects...and FCP is superior to Avid in many OTHER respects. This just happens to be an Avid weakness and FCP strength.
The fact that I was working with older Avid's didn't help.
Do the newer versions of Avid have a way to convert 60p to 30p or 24P? FCP can do this via the Frame Rate Converter, and via Cinema Tools...does Avid have a way with the newer Media Composer software?
I guess I'll know soon...I am looking to buy a copy of the Avid media Composer software. Sorry, but I find that Avid is still VERY relevant in todays editing world...expecially in hollywood productions. If only they could dig themselves out of their old marketting ways and figure out a good strategy to get this software into more hands...
problems with raylight and fcp:
i keep getting this error message everytime I attempt to open FCP 6.0.
"the movie file "000blah.mxf" cannot be found. Without this file, the movie cannot play properly."
The file in question comes up no matter project I am opening. If I click "cancel" another one pops up (i've "cancelled about 30 then given up). They are all coming from raylight referenced MXF's in another concert DVD that i am in the process of editing.
Anyway, if I don't have the extrenal drive with all of those mxf's on it hooked up then I can' t work. I'd rather not buy an extra 1 tb drive to store them on so I'm trying to find another solution before I have to return this drive to the owner.
any help at all would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance...
Rgds
lou
Annonymous, I'm having the exact same issue in FCP, and DVfilm is working on it, (yesterday, Dec 13). If youv'e found a fix to this please post it.
Thanks,
Philip
Lou, and by the way, It's not just FCP 6- I'm using 5.1.4 and have that problem. Don't know why it should be looking for that file.
Well, if this is a common issue, and Marcus at DVFilm is working on it, then you are in good hands.
Yes Shane - I trust Marcus, they're good over there. But it doesn't seem to be a common problem, as I've been searching as many boards as i can and only found this one post by Lou referring to this specific problem. Well, I just wanted to see if I could find someone who had a similar problem and found a fix. At least I now know it's not a totally isolated problem.
Thanks,
Philip
O.K.- there is a fix sent to me by Dvfilm. Trash your prefs while fcp is closed. (all three files and empty the trash-emptying the trash made a difference for me)
Philip
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